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alwana
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Planning to install soon
Proton
Gen 2
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
11 Posts |
 Posted - 07/01/2007 : 6:14:06 PM
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Azmi
I would like to thank you for sharing your NGV installation trouble. It has given me reason to relook at my own situation, Like you, I assume a licience Installer should know what is best and has the proper technical training.
I have a feeling , horror story like yours will be repeated again in view of annual bonus or ASB pay out is now in many husband's hand. I would like to thank you again in preventing me from walking the same path that you took.
As a summary, I need help and advice on how to convert my Proton Gen2 1.6 auto.
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2007 : 9:49:33 PM
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Hi Alwana!
I am sorry, I am not able to give you advice as per your request since I am the type yang just pasang and drive. That is why I am facing so much problem at the initial stage of installation. I think NGVInfo Team is in the better position to advice you. Anyway, on your concern regarding the safety measure, I mange to find one site that is very useful for you to read, but unfortunately I forget to bookmark. I tried searching for it today but I was unable to find it. But I still keep with me a hardcopy. If you’re interested to read it please call me at ***, so we could make an arrangement to deliver the write-up to you.
*** Please private mail to me using email facility provided in this forum. The writer of this topic is hiding in this forum. Hopefully he will read this and personally provide you with the “url”.
I wish I could disclose to you who is he but forum regulations stop me from doing so. Anyway if you have ample time to read through all write-ups in this forum you can find “the hiding expert” as I did before.
If you decide to convert to NGV, please don’t choose the person who installed mine. To identify him is very-very simple. People said “don’t judge the book by it’s cover”. But Azmi said there is some exception for an NGV Installer. You need to judge by it’s cover. Hope you get what I am trying to convey to you.
Last but not least – you are in the right track i.e. trying to find as much info as possible on the NGV. Dont follow me - pasang dulu, bila ada problem baru cari info. Any problem or doubts, please don’t hesitate to post here. The majority of members in this forum are very helpful. But as I told you before they are unable to tell you who is the best installer since the regulation stop them from doing so. No iklan in this forum.
TQVM
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2007 : 11:10:54 PM
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Dear all.
Last Monday I managed to find the sole distributor ** for my NGV set, and brought my kembara to them to recalibrate the stepper motor. Initially, I faced some difficulties to convince them to recalibrate my stepper motor since the installation was done by someone else. Anyway, after telling them the installer is XXXXX they agreed to recalibrate it.
While it was there, the car worked fine and passed some stress test done by me. I drove home for about 35 km without any hassle and the car showed some improvement in terms of power.
Unfortunately my smile only lasted for less than 3 hours. The car starts mati-mati again during the start. Now I have to warm up for almost 10 minutes before I can utilize my NGV else the car will mati-mati. (During the warm up I have to play-play dengan fuel pedal you know - very-very leceh lah. Cannot leave it idle on its own ) I understand that this may happen during the morning after the engine goes cold overnight, but my kembara doesn’t behave like that – masa panas pun macam tu juga, bila start kena warm up dulu.
I contacted my expert brother, he gave me two options. Anybody who wants to know the options….ok sabar I will tell you after Tahun Baru China.
During my journey to the said workshop I passed by the workshop that initially installed my NGV, I saw at least 5 car parked over there, hopefully they won’t face the same experience like I went through..
Note ** - Just guessing not sure whether they are the sole distributor or not.
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 10:16:45 PM
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Tahun Baru Cina sudah lama berlalu. Seperti yang dijanjikan sebelum ini, this is my latest update:-
AZMI3388 - KENA KENCING LAGI !!!!! :)
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2007 : 9:48:29 PM
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To: Bob and cc to Others.
Thanks saudara Bob for your concern and suggestion. Anyway, I have already given up on using NGV. As per now I am (including my wife) driving my Kembara using petrol. I might consider using NGV again after the maintenance/servicing of NGV becomes global i.e. generally accepted by any installer. As per now it seems that nobody is willing to touch it if it isn’t installed through them.
Hopefully in Malaysia I am the only one that facing this problem.
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Neil
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Perodua
Kelisa 1.0
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
3 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2007 : 10:54:51 AM
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hi guys...
i'm a newbie here.
i am working with a new company, the company is now developing a system for malaysian made car.
I cant said which company but we are now using Waja and Gen2 as our platform. Both running on Campro engine.
All i can say is the NGV operation works very well with the engine, of course there are some problems along the RnD process. I am not a NGV user yet, maybe in the future. I am now looking forward to share experience and knowledge regarding NGV.
alwana - i willing to share with u some experience regarding Gen2 NGV conversion.
azmi3388 - y give up so soon??
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lim275
Average Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Mar 2007
Proton
Wira 1.5GLI
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
110 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2007 : 12:05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Neil
hi guys...
i'm a newbie here.
i am working with a new company, the company is now developing a system for malaysian made car.
I cant said which company but we are now using Waja and Gen2 as our platform. Both running on Campro engine.
All i can say is the NGV operation works very well with the engine, of course there are some problems along the RnD process. I am not a NGV user yet, maybe in the future. I am now looking forward to share experience and knowledge regarding NGV.
alwana - i willing to share with u some experience regarding Gen2 NGV conversion.
azmi3388 - y give up so soon??
What do u mean new system ??
As far as i knew, for campro engine all are using sequential system & so far no problem. Except u company come out with mixer system on it, there nothing new.
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Neil
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Perodua
Kelisa 1.0
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
3 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2007 : 2:23:32 PM
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What i meant by developing new system is we are trying to localize our resource which will cut the cost in the same time maintaining the best performance.
Yes, we are running on sequential system.
As I said before, I am a newbie...gathering info and sharing if anyone intrested as long as I dont jeopardize my company's secret.
So sorry if I'm wrong.....
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william_2622
New Member
NGV:Planning to install soon
Nissan
X-Trail 2.0
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
28 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2007 : 07:15:06 AM
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Hi Neil,
I'm driving Gen2 as well. Can I know more about your product?? Price??
U can email me if u have something to share - william_2622@yahoo.com
Thanks.
Regards,
William
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Neil
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Perodua
Kelisa 1.0
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2007 : 09:45:17 AM
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Actually my company product not hit the market yet.
We are target to launch on OEM model, I met Dr.X during the last Automechanicka in KLCC so i think he might knew what system we are using.
I cant say it here because it is against my company policy.
But, few general things i might share with all of us here.
Our Gen2 uses VSI system - Vapour Sequential System or most generally known as sequential system here.
The kit is plug n play without adjusting anything inside the engine.
I'm not sure my company will hit the REM market or not because I am not in the marketing depatment.
So, I cant come out with the price.
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2007 : 12:08:59 AM
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Hi Neil – I am giving up soon because
a) The credibility of my initial installer is questionable
b) I think 6 month spent trying to overcome my problem is a bit too much.
c) As Lim said - Safety is always my priority.
d) As for the last reason, I intend to keep it to myself. I might reconsider to disclose it in the future if it’s necessary and if it can help NGV new comer
To Shah thanks for the offer – I will consider it. If I change my mind I will call you. Thanks again for your concern.
TQVM
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Wawa
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
2 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2007 : 4:03:07 PM
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Saudara Azmi3388 - harap tolong jawab email saya.
Thanks - Wawa
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Wawa
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
2 Posts |
Posted - 22/11/2007 : 12:19:42 PM
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Thanks sdra Azmi3388 kerana reply my email. Tapi saya amat sedih dan kecewa bila dapat tahu yang saudara dah tak guna NGV lagi.
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liewss80
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Perodua
Kenari
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
4 Posts |
Posted - 19/02/2008 : 7:14:04 PM
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It was indeed a scary experience for En. Azmi.
I was just about to send my car for conversion, but after reading this topic.... it really hold me back....
Does anyone has any idea which workshop is Mr. Azmi talking bout? Mind to send me a private message?
Thank you.
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2008 : 1:22:06 PM
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Hi all. I have never visited this site since my last post sometime in Nov last year (my answer to Wawa). The reason being was because I have stopped using NGV eventhough the NGV kit is still attached and intact to my Kembara. My apologies to Mr. liewss80 for my failure to respond to you.
What triggered me to visit this site again was the fact that I received a call from my old friend requesting my advice on NGV.
This was my advice to him - "If you’re using a carburetor - yes you go ahead".
" If you are using fuel injection.....I don’t want to say yes or no. You need to find more info.
Since petrol prices have already increased to 2.70 per liter, I know a lot of people might consider using NGV.
In order to stop any newcomers from facing the same experience as I’ve endured, I have now decided to disclose the workshop which had installed my Kembara with NGV.
For those who are interested to know the workshop concerned, please send me a private email listing a minimum of 3 potential w/shops that you have visited or surveyed.
I will then give a standard answer through this forum:
A) Mr So and so – Yes, it is one of the w/shops in your list
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B) Mr. So and so – Nope, that w/shop is not in your list.
But please don’t mention the name of any w/shop in this forum. By doing so you will definitely fail to get any answer from me
AZMI@$
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2008 : 7:56:56 PM
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Hi Everyone –
Additional info required - Please provide me with the location as well.
I was informed that this particular installer is also doing jobs for others.
tq
AZMI@$
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2008 : 10:45:13 PM
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Hi all !
kitkatlow - Yes, it is one of the w/shops in your list
silvercutes - > I cannot find your profile ?. Anyway - that w/shop is not in your list.
ming_fei - Nope, that w/shop is not in your list.
tq
AZMI@$
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kitkatlow
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Planning to install soon
Malaysia
20 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2008 : 10:58:44 PM
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azmi, may i know is the first, 2nd or the third?
i can keep it to myself if you wish not to disclose to public.
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haiqal
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2007
Volvo
240GL
(Carburetor)
Malaysia
91 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 12:22:49 AM
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Azmi,
Since you have problem with the installation by the installer, why not ask for refund since they can not give you a good job? Sorry to say, if you keep on wasting time go to them for rectifying those stupid problem due to their worst workmanship...you are entitle to claim back yr money. If they refuse just go to JABATAN HAL EHWAL PENGGUNA-confirm can refund! provided all receipt still available..
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dyfw
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Proton
Iswara 1.3
(Carburetor)
Malaysia
48 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 12:35:44 AM
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Yeap agreed. If they cant get it done. Go get a refund through Tribunal.It is unfair to the public if they install a product that is useless and get paid to do a lousy job.
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haiqal
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2007
Volvo
240GL
(Carburetor)
Malaysia
91 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 10:57:48 AM
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Azmi,
Do not feel gultier to claim back yr money. Just go back to the installler give them 2 choice, either dcorrective action to yr car or refund yr installation fees + yr time consume during rectifying yr problem + petrol money go & back to their w/shop + petrol & gas consume during stupid tuning. With proper record (i believed just print these thread and bring over to Tribunal as a proved) sure can get. I was experienced before but different situations...
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 7:46:56 PM
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Haiqal, dyfw – Thanks for the advice/suggestion. I have already decided to write off the issue.
I don’t intend to pursue it any further, my objective as per now is to ensure any newcomer will not have to endure the same bad experience as I’ve had with that particular installer.
I realize that by taking this step I am going to lose additional RM625/= per year.
Kitkatlow – If you have really visited all three workshops that you mentioned in your email to me, I am sure that you are NOT going to choose the one that I meant.
TQ
AZMI@$
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kitkatlow
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Planning to install soon
Malaysia
20 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 8:20:54 PM
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Azmi,
i the first option that i send you, i only visit their hq and so far so good, but you might install at their other branch which near to your house.
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2008 : 11:55:02 AM
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Salam ! ijains/Ruzeezal - ketiga-tiga bengkel yang terdapat dalam email saudara kepada saya tidak terlibat dengan pemasangan NGV kereta saya.
Good luck
TQ
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geoffreylee
Advanced Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
Proton Perdana
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
722 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2008 : 12:12:21 PM
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Hi Azmi,
So sorry to hear about your experience with NGV installer. I am also one of the new comer to NGV and planning to install the system for my Perdana SEI.
I hope you can help to email me a few recomended installer via email of course as it is very difficult for newbies to indentify a bad installer.
Millions thanks in advance.
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Let me invited you to join the Facebook group "NGV Car Owner (Malaysia) ".
http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=745707545&k=3212YYR6PT2EXBG1XB2&oid=16296154366
Thanks,
NGV Car Owner (Malaysia)
Pls share your experience in the forum.. may it be bad or good.
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azmi3388
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Oct 2006
Perodua
Kembara 1.3
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
39 Posts |
Posted - 21/06/2008 : 2:54:11 PM
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To all parties concerned,
I am very sorry for the delay in answering your email.
A) Tseng, Fusilad7/Vijay, Geoffreylee.
The workshops in your lists are not the one that installed my car.
But please forgive me – I do not wish to recommend any workshop to any of you. This is because I still believe that NGV is a sole proprietor, in other words once you’re trapped you will be trapped forever because none of the other workshops would be willing to rectify the works from a different workshop. I hope I am wrong. This is solely based on my past experience.
Just to get them to do some minor tuning to the system has turned out to be a problem let alone rectifying works.
Based on my past experience – I have visited/called almost all NGV workshop in Klang Valley, but most of them were reluctant to accept my car for tuning.
Out of them only two workshops were willing to help me. I shall refer to them as NGV1 and NGV2
NGV1 – was very helpfully and his name has appeared in most emails sent to me.
NGV2 – was reluctant to help and was only willing to do so after I told them that “The xxxx was done by XXXXX”.
But NGV2 placed the condition on me: “Should anything happen they are not to be blamed”.
B) XXXXXXXX (I suppressed the ID) – you questions are a bit tricky,
I am reluctant to answer them.
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geoffreylee
Advanced Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
Proton Perdana
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
722 Posts |
Posted - 22/06/2008 : 6:33:41 PM
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Hi Azmi,
Thanks for your kind advice and reply, it is a very important advice and honest as most INSTALLER wont want to tune or fix other INSTALLER's ****! So beware my fellows members forumers to ensure never to rush into any INSTALLER and have your NGV installed.
This forum cant help us much as they cant recomend any installer and also will not allow forumers review who are competent and who are not.
In this situation, I hope committee of this forum would have a few senior members to guide newbies like me in our search for NGV Installer whom we can trust.
Many thanks
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Let me invited you to join the Facebook group "NGV Car Owner (Malaysia) ".
http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=745707545&k=3212YYR6PT2EXBG1XB2&oid=16296154366
Thanks,
NGV Car Owner (Malaysia)
Pls share your experience in the forum.. may it be bad or good.
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admin
Forum Admin
NGV:Yes
Since:Dec 2005
Proton
Wira 1.5A
(Carburetor)
Malaysia
601 Posts |
Posted - 22/06/2008 : 8:46:57 PM
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Dear All,
The Admin of the forum is considering a proposal from one member on setting up a team for Workshop Accredidation (for NGV community.com Recommended NGV Workshop).
The details is being worked at this moment on the basic criteria.
Alternatively, you can give your opinion on this matter to assist in forming up the critria in the selection process of NGV Community.com Recommended NGV Workshop.
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geoffreylee
Advanced Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
Proton Perdana
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
722 Posts |
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alwana
Starting NGV Member
NGV:Planning to install soon
Proton
Gen 2
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
11 Posts |
Posted - 23/06/2008 : 09:00:23 AM
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That is a very good idea as many now are force to take up public transport or go to NGV. The community should just list those workshop that are considered ok base on the site visit,workmanship and customer complaint without actually giving a recommandation. Newbie will have some giude than just stumble in the dark. Like when we surf for hotel on the web. Some are 5 star and some are 3 star. The customer will make his own choice.
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